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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:58 Fri Dec 20
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I read that quite clearly the first time, thanks. I'm still not sure why you think I misunderstood it.
As I said, you're part of the problem and, incidentally, a lot of those who are are equally well-paid.
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southbankbornnbred
3:53 Fri Dec 20
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Surface,
You must be fucking thick if you can't understand this sentence...
"But I don't read too often about the 96% of white male offenders within the online grooming gangs..."
So I suggest you try another life, mate, let alone a profession in which reading is central to your role.
Btw, I do pretty well out of my profession, thanks. Because I take the time to look at the facts - rather than form misplaced opinions based on pre-existing prejudice. That's what we do - and that's why I get paid well to do it.
But you just carry on.
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Block
3:49 Fri Dec 20
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With regards to the muslim gangs, it's all about the culture they are used to. I've never been to Pakistan etc but it would appear this might be normal there? Fuck knows.
It just appears that Southbank is suggesting there's some sort of racist conspiracy within the media only discussing the muslim gang CSE's and not white people.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:48 Fri Dec 20
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I've read it perfectly correctly. If you haven't made clear what you really mean I suggest you try another profession.
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southbankbornnbred
3:44 Fri Dec 20
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No, you are a bigger part of the problem.
You haven't even read my comment about the 96% figure correctly. If you go back to it, that is a specific reference to the offender profile for online groomers.
If you can't even read that correctly, what hope have you got of making sense of the more complicated elements of this?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:42 Fri Dec 20
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So that's one gang that you have carefully selected from the 96% against ALL of the Muslim paedo gangs.
You're part of the problem - falling over yourself not to see a racial aspect to a specific issue for fear of being seen to be racist.
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southbankbornnbred
3:40 Fri Dec 20
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If it's your view, just say so. I don't have a problem with that. "Some" Muslim communities (male) are disproportionately represented among "some" offending groups. That is a fact.
But most evidence suggests that most CSE "gangs" share common traits that cross their ethnic backgrounds.
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southbankbornnbred
3:38 Fri Dec 20
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I'm not claiming that - you are purposefully misreading what I have written because you want to make the same point about Muslim grooming gangs. Fair enough, that's your view. But don't misread my words on purpose just to try to substantiate it.
I was referring, as you know, to the gang I mentioned.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:32 Fri Dec 20
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southbankbornnbred 3:28 Fri Dec 20
'No, they specifically targeted young white boys. To the extent that they (thankfully) left alone other kids who did not fit that description.
It's the same criminal MO: they have a racial, sexual and age-based preference.'
All of the 96% of white male paedophiles targeted specifically young white boys?
I suspect you have no evidence for that at all. And if you can't see the difference between targeting members of your own race/religion for abuse and targeting all members of other races/religions then I despair.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:28 Fri Dec 20
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SBBB
Can't argue with your last sentence.
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southbankbornnbred
3:28 Fri Dec 20
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No, they specifically targeted young white boys. To the extent that they (thankfully) left alone other kids who did not fit that description.
It's the same criminal MO: they have a racial, sexual and age-based preference.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:26 Fri Dec 20
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southbankbornnbred 3:15 Fri Dec 20
'Their MO was, aside from the absence of cabbies!, almost exactly the same as the Rotherham gang'
Apart from the whole specifically targeting non-Muslims thing.
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southbankbornnbred
3:25 Fri Dec 20
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Surface,
Yes, to answer your question, some of them do.
Some of them target kids of a particular age, some target kids of a particular ethnicity, some target boys, some target girls. Some of these bastards, unfortunately, have "tastes" and that leads some of them to pursue, groom and target particular "types". That includes ethnicity.
Anyway, not my area of investigation for a while yet. So I'll leave it there. But all of these offenders are the worst kind of scum - regardless of their background.
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southbankbornnbred
3:15 Fri Dec 20
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I'll give you an example, a few years ago, a group of journalists helped to bust a gang of criminals involved in CSE. The men were all white, many of them were middle-class, one was a priest, one was a care home manager, others were social workers etc etc. It was an organised ring, who preyed on vulnerable kids.
At no point, whatsoever, in the press coverage was the group described as an organised 'grooming' gang - even though that is exactly what the men were doing. When I suggested to a tabloid newspaper which took interest, that it should be compared to the Asian grooming gangs, they did not want to know.
Their MO was, aside from the absence of cabbies!, almost exactly the same as the Rotherham gang. But the case was never portrayed in the same way.
There is a confirmation bias in most media reporting about CSE, which unfortunately means that Asian men have been earmarked as the "street level" groomers, white blokes as online abusers, east European or south-east Asian gangs as sex traffickers and priests as a dying breed of well-meaning perverts.
It is all CSE - and, by and large, most of these organised gangs (including dodgy priests who cover-up for each other) follow parts of the same MO.
The whole thing is a mess. You don't want to go there - it's Christmas: think happier things. Like West Ham's fine form!
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Block
3:12 Fri Dec 20
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I think the issue is that the times where "white" men are convicted of being a nonce cunt these are all usually singular people, where as the muslims generally tend to hunt in packs and operate in gangs.
Could be wrong, just my interpretation.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:11 Fri Dec 20
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southbankbornnbred 12:48 Fri Dec 20
Do these 96% of white male offenders specifically target young people of a different religion/race to their own?
Because if they don't they are paedophiles, which is an evil thing, but they are not paedophiles who regard non-adherents to their own faith as fair game. That's at least three sorts of evil.
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southbankbornnbred
3:06 Fri Dec 20
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There's a very good, well evidenced and researched, book written by an academic, Elleanor Cockbain, which exposes many of the myths about CSE "grooming" gangs and places the whole issue of CSE in a much wider context.
It's a bit academic - that's her job - but well worth a read. The stats are fucking depressing, though. So have a whisky with it.
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southbankbornnbred
3:01 Fri Dec 20
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Marty,
You've just proved my point: it is happening, unfortunately rather too often. You're just not reading about it in quite the same way.
White, British men are hawking young girls, and boys, around. They may not be following the exact same MO as the likes of the Rotherham and Rochdale gangs (predominantly Pakistani men), but they ARE hawking children just as shamelessly, illegally and violently.
The grim reality is that it is all too common and many people don't want to hear it, or they want to be very selective about who they perceive the offenders to be.
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riosleftsock
1:25 Fri Dec 20
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marty
In ordinary circumstances it would be considered astonishing that these crimes are never described as having any aggravating factors; ie race.
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Mike Oxsaw
1:01 Fri Dec 20
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southbankbornnbred 12:58 Fri Dec 20
Prepping yourself for your forthcoming pamphlet "Recent Successes of the West Ham Board".?
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